söndag 13 september 2015

Theme 1: Theory of knowledge and Theory of Science - Post-seminar reflections

After an interesting and intriguing, partially hard to follow, lecture by Johan Eriksson my understanding of mainly Criticism of Pure Reason by Kant became slightly more clear. Whether my interpretations of Theaetetus were in line with what Plato wanted to convey remains unclear. During the lecture I tried to follow Johan’s reasoning as much as possible, listening and trying to grasp the concepts of Kant’s work. Afterwhich and up until the seminar I had shorter discussions about what had been said with a few classmates and prepared for our seminar. For reasons currently unknown we were only 8 participating during our session which gave us all more space to share our thoughts.

We discussed what we did not yet understand and what we believed we understood from the texts and lecture. One part we discussed more thoroughly was regarding Kant’s thoughts of whether we can perceive synthetic objects a priori. The discussion revolved around the fact that all bodies have extensions but also that the bodies exist only if it is actually perceived. The paradox enters, how can an object only exist if it is perceived? Well, if it is not perceived, there is no way of knowing that it actually exists. Say there is a pen, a body with extensions, for example,  lying on a table, we can only say that the pen is there of we perceive it. Otherwise, there is no way we can actually know that a pen lies on a table. In a broader perspective, you can with the same reasoning claim that without people, the world would not exist, since there would not be anyone there to perceive it. On the other hand, we could never know that the world, in this case did not exist because there would be no one there to perceive this. If there were, at least one human, then the world Would obviously exist since that person would perceive the world as it is.

Furthermore, we discussed what would happen if an infant were to be raised in solitude, separated from any kind of upbringing, culture or stimuli. When would the child learn to walk, or Even walk for that matter? If so, would s/he be aware that s/he was walking? That is, would the child learn how to walk, without any previous experience of seeing or being taught about walking or would that skill just never be learnt? If the child learnt how to walk, without any possibility of knowing about walking, that would be synthetic a priori knowledge. Alternatively, one could argue that learning how to walk without the knowledge or experience of walking could also be categorised as a part of our nature. But without ever having tested how the child would actually evolve, we could never know whether learning to walk is part of our nature or upbringing and effects of outer stimuli.  Theoretically, couldn’t the child might as well never learn to walk on two legs? But instead only crawl around or even learn to fly? Similarly between learning to walk or learning to fly, what would trigger the child to learn either of these skills if there were no object of attraction, no outer stimuli? Then the child would have no use for, and hence not develop, either skill.

6 kommentarer:

  1. Hey!
    Wow, you throw out some interesting thoughts here that weren't discussed during our seminar. I want to adress your discussion about a world without humans. I think this is an interesting thought, but to say that a world without humans does not exist is to take it a bit to far in my opinion. You could say that our concept of a human world wouldn't exist without humans, but it would still be there. Just look at the dinosaur era before we existed, didn't the world exist then? The answer might be that the world as we see it didn't exist, but it would still be there. Well, that was just my personal thought on the subject! :)

    I think you have a thought through and well formulated reflection, it seems like you got out a lot of the seminar! Keep up the good work!

    SvaraRadera
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    SvaraRadera
  3. You have written a very stimulating text. I specifically like the analogy u draw to compare whether we see through our eyes or with them. I think you have some compelling arguments here. You pose some very engaging questions that I would hope that you could somehow answer. I understand that it is not easy though. In regards to empiricism, you have some nice insight.

    I agree that perception can be taken as knowledge. At least, mine can be my knowledge of a certain thing or topic. So, yes, very well said. I also had hard time following the final argument in plato’s text. They sort of fail to come to a conclusion about what knowledge is. Maybe it was just a discussion that was not meant to provide any definite outcome. A light-hearted argument in which no one wanted to ratify or justify his opinion.

    It is interesting how you have described in detail, your seminar experience and how it helped you grasp the material much better. There is one section in your post-seminar blogpost which I couldn’t follow precisely. You mention “ The paradox enters, how can an object only exist if it is perceived?”. It sounds like deep philosophical spiral which I could not perceive.

    In the final piece in your text you talk about your discussion about an infant. I found it quite thought-provoking. I wonder if there has been any experiment of that sort. It would really intriguing to read, if so. All in all, you written very engaging text and arguments.

    SvaraRadera
  4. Hello!
    Good job with the text, I thought it was very interesting. I agree that this theme has been difficult and it seems like we all have had a hard time understanding it on our own.

    I think your thoughts on if the world exists with or without us was interesting, and I don't hold an answer either. I would like to think that the world exist even if we are not present, but as you say - if there is no one there to perceive and know...
    I guess we'll never know and that that's the point of philosophy.
    Keep up the good job!

    SvaraRadera
  5. This was an interesting read. I liked your explanation of the paradox of things having extensions but only being proved to exist by perception. Would that mean that the world only exists to us because we see it, and if we didn’t it would only exist to the creatures that could? I don’t know, but it’s interesting to think about.

    Now, about the other part. I realize that it was a thought experiment, but there exists cases of children growing up without human contact. These cases seem to hint at (since I’m not an expert I won’t say anything more definitive than that) that for intelligence as we know it to occur children must be interacted with. Most cases lead to what we would call developmentally disabled humans. However, your discussion leads me to consider whether they just have a different perception of the world. I’m not sure, But I would recommend you to look at some of these cases, as they are fascinating. (And gross, since a lot involve extreme child abuse)

    SvaraRadera
  6. Thank you for your text. I agree that some concepts were difficult to understand and I would have had more time to reflect and discuss them.

    Regarding your question about what would happen to a child raised without stimuli etc, this experiment was made (13th century) and they all died due to the lack of stimuli.. I don't find ontological nor traditional metaphysic reflections that important to me anymore but It is always interesting to hear how other people reflect on them, which I think that you put effort in.

    SvaraRadera